And, i forgot to mention, that the Rangers really didn;t acquire all that much for Gagne as it turns out. The pitcher they got from us didn't pan out and Murphy is decent, but there was no room for him in a then, crowded outfield and there would be no room for him in the outfield we have today. So, it really wasn't that big of a acquisition for Texas in the end even though Gagne didn't work for us either.

Remember tho, Penny isn't going to get us great prospects, not with a 5.3 era.

The Red Sox have the luxury of shopping both players around to see if someone is willing to overpay for their services.

How is Saito going to get us "great" prospects??? He's an aging, injury-plagued middle reliever with one-year contract. No major league General Manager is going to strip the farm that.

Also, everyone knows and it has been well documented that Penny's ERA is not a good indication of how well he has pitched. Incidentally, he just shut out the mighty New York Yankees over 6 innings, therefore, his value has never been greater. Teams would be much more willing to give up better talent for a guy who give them a chance to win every 5th day.

Why would you mess with a bullpen now that is best in the Majors????? That is asking for trouble, epecially when there does not seem to be an apparent successor to Saito's role. Where, in Penny's case, they have a number of really good options... I fail to see the logic in trading Saito over Penny at this point.

Seems a few years ago we traded for one of those older relievers with a prospect named Jeff Bagwell. How did that work for Houston. Lets see what Saito could bring.

Do NOT touch the bullpen. As constituted, once this team gets through 6 - the other team won't take the lead 9 times out of 10. I think this bullpen is what will win the World Series for the Sox. Besides, what is Saito really going to get us that will put us over the top?

I think it has to be Penny or a package of the two to a contending team who might be willing to overspends.
we have even as well as they are pitchign we have pitchers in Pawtucket that can replace both of them.

Send Penny and Saito to the Rangers for Smoak and Omar Visquel!

Please don't bring up Bagwell, that was an abberation not the rule. First of all where was Bagwell gonna play in boston? He was a 3rd base prospect and we had Boggs still in his prime. Also, Larry Anderson gave up 3 runs in 22 innings. And if you're gonna say put him at first...We had some guy named Mo Vaughn as a 1b prospect. Yes in the long run that trade was bad, but at the time there was no way to know that. I can't even believe I'm defending Lou Gorman, but enough with the revisionist history.

Don't......trade........anybody!

gonna half to trade someone, not enough room. What are you gonna do have a 6 man rotation and take 4 starts each away from Beckett, Lester, and Wake?

Couple of years ago we had too much pitching, traded away Arroyo, then two or three guys were hurt and Julian Tavarez started five games, along with just about every A, AA and AAA guy Sox could find.

Do NOT touch this bullpen!!! It's the main reason we have an advantage over the Yankees.

This is a completely different situation. We really NEED to get rid of one guy. There's no room. We're gonna get rid of one of them one way or another, whether it's trade or demoting someone. So, it makes sense to get someone who might help us for the future with Penny. We have guys who can start like most teams dream of. We lose Penny let me provide a list of possible suitors to replace him: Smoltz, Buchholz, Bowden, Masterson... All have shown they can pitch in the big leagues, especially as a #5 guy in the rotation. We have 4 legitimate players who can step in even if another injury occurs after Penny departs.

Trade whomever gets us the best return. Until we know what The Sox are getting, this discussion is useless. Maybe we keep both and don't trade at all. Papi is coming around, and we have three shortstops (Lowry, Lugo, Green). What else do we need, what else is out there, and most importantly, what are other teams willing to give up? My guess is not much in either case.

If Penny goes you have several very good replacements. Siato has been a proving closer with 3 great years in L.A..He'a back up closer for Papabon, for days off or if Papabon goes on the D.L..He is also a good set up men. He would also be very valuable to have in the Playoffs. and World Series if the Sox are in it. And don't mess with the best bullpen in the American League

Package Penny with Lugo for anyone!!

Don't we have to re-evaluate the Bagwell trade in light of the steroid era. Bagwell is a prime suspect for steriod use. He had little to no power in the minors - then gets traded to Houston (where other known steriod users played (see Ken Caminiti)) - develops Popeye-like forearms and becomes a power hitter. Just maybe, maybe, Lou made the right trade, but the "juice" made it out to be a far worse trade than it ever really was. Just like Duke was probably right about Clemens when he let him go - depending upon who you believe it seems likely that Clemens started taking the Rejuvination Juice before going ot Toronto, making letting him go look like a horrible decision. Someone should write an article about all of the so-called "worst trades" of the 90s and re-evaluate them in light of the steriod era. My guess is that there were a lot of trades made or players waived in the 90s that were probably fair moves at the time, but ended up looking bad because one of hte players in the trade started taking roids.

How about sending Dice-K to the bullpen and sending Bard or Delcarmen back to the minors?

@ RMF how about 1 baseball related conversation in the next decade w/out mentioning steriods. I'm so bloody sick of it. The fans knew, the media knew, the owners knew, the players knew, and no one cared. We are all hipocrites in that regard so let us please, for the love of God...move on with our baseball lives.

@ Greenhaven, pleasant thought, but wishful thinking. No one is taking Lugo's salary. Might he get moved? Stranger things have happened, but I doubt it.

I would think Delcarmen can bring back more.. because of his youth.. he would be the guy I would move.. I have never had confidence in his play, though everyone seems to love his arm.. No matter who goes.. it all depends on what you can get any way.. and none of the names mentioned, without the addition of a minor leaguer or two, is going to bring in the quality hitter that we all want.. ie Victor Martinez

Victor Martinez helps both the hitting and catcher.

Send Dice-K to Pawtucket...nah, don't want to hurt the pawsox. Make it Greenville.

@Brendan - you are right - I am sick of steroids talk too, but you can't stick your head in the sand either. If people think the Sox are going to trade Penny or Saito and get a Bagwell-like player they are nuts. My point is this - at the time that trade was made Bagwell was probably a good but not great prospect - he ended up having an awesome career but that was possibly more the result of cheating. I think you generally get fair value in trades - other than salary dumps - teams aren't really that stupid. You are less likely to see that kind of freakish player development again. The best any team is likley to give up for either Penny or Saito is a marginal prospect (which the Sox already have plenty of with no place to put them) or an aging big contract vet that might be able to pitch-in for a pennant drive (which I'm not sure they need that either). I don't think anyone is going to give them a top-tier SS prospect for those guys. Maybe the best they get is an aging high-priced SS on the down-hill side of his career (but really is that any better than Green, Lugo or Lowrie).

Get rid of both of them and pick up a hitter.

i'd rather see smoltz go.....he seems to be dictating the shots here. seems odd for a 40+ year old guy off major surgery to be yakking like that.

From a while ago I posted noones going to give up good prospects for Penny, and they won't, but I didn't mean we should trade Saito, but the argument up top was talking about prospects, and I really highly doubt we'll get much for either.

Delcarmen to the minors? Are you nutts? He had back to back bad outings but has been dominant all year long aside from that. I'd dish both Saito and Penny. Ramirez or Okie Doke could be a consistent set up tandem each night if necessary. Also, i'd like to see Penny dealt for a outfielder who could play right because I am still not a big fan of JD. He's usually clutch in the playoffs but he has played too many games this year for me to feel comfortable. He's due for an injury in the next few weeks knowing his past health problems!

Dice-K for a catching prospect. Delcarmen is expendable as well as long as we get value in return {i.e. bona fide SS,C,or young power hitting OF prospect}.

I think we send Penny AND Buchholz to the Marlins for Hanley. Penny has got to go and by himself gets us nothing in return. Buchholz is always going to be messed up. Miami needs the pitching and we need the infielder. Time to get bold.

Oops. Missed a name. Jed goes with the package. Marlins get a shortstop and pitching, we get Hanley. Thanks.

I think the Sox could get more for Saito, as he is a legitimate closer, and could be traded to a team in need of a closer. Having said that, I don't think they should trade either, unless of course they can sign Penny to an extension, thus making him a lobger term, thus more valuable commodity.

why trade either one do you really think their gonna get anybody better right now as far as pitching goes come on man

Keep Saito and Trade Penny. We have plenty of starting pitchers compared to when we traded Arroyo

Both pitchers stay!I would trade the lesser parts of the staff like MDC,or even Masterson if offered enough in return.Saito is a bonefide closer who is simply excepting the job at hand,as for Penny he's a stud just coming back into his former self.Penny is only 31 in pitching years he's just in the middle of his prime you trade him someone should give you a boatload in return.I know he's a FA at the end of the season but he didn't come here to go back out on the market next year he came here because he gets good sound medical advice on how to stregthen his shoulder and because he has 2or3 of his former Marlin mates playing here.If Theo is planning on making a trade he should show everyone how good he really is and find Julio Lugo a new home!!!!!

Frankly I don't underdstand why all the trade talk centers only around Penny, and now Saito (which would be a BAD move; don't tamper with a nearly perfect bullpen). TRADE MATSUZAKA! His endless nibbling (2-1/2 years now) is tiresome. He seems to only get motivated by competing for his country - he's always a superstud during the WBC. He doesn't appear to have any competitive juices for MLB, traditional Sox rivalries, or even the World Series. Shop him around. He was 18-3 last year (though a fluke due to run support), is locked up longterm, and still has oodles of 'potential', making him an attractive pickup. And his actual contract is reasonable, given that half of the dough the Sox spent was for negotiating rights, making him affordable even for small market teams. Sure, he'd have to approve it, but if his option was to sit in the Sox' pen, he likely would accept a trade. Perhaps to MN for Mauer? or Texas for Salty? We have Penny and Smoltz to take his spot short-term and Buchholz to step into it longterm. All would provide equal or better results.

Hey RockOutWithMySoxOut, don't you rememeber Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson? There's got to be a modern day Lou Gorman out there somewhere willing to give us the next Bagwell for either of these 2 pitchers.

I WOULD TRADE BRAD PENNY AND delcarmen for henley and bring up buchlotz

The question is kind of silly. Would you trade them for the exact same players, no. Would you package them together for a guy like Salty? Maybe. Probably. Comments have some really good points.

you can't trade Matsuzaka right now, he has no value, his ERA is almost 8, Same as the 8 million/yr he gets. Penny's ERA would be below 4 if not for two bad games in april and his shoulder has been getting better and better. Trade him to the Nat'l and drop another half run off his ERA. Also, read Sean McAdam on FoxSports.com today. All of the other good to great pitchers are injured which means the Mets of the Phillies will overpay for a guy like Penny.

Lowrie, Buch, and Penny to the Marlins for Hanley...still don't think the Marlins would bite. Hanley is top 5 talent (if not player yet) in the game.

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good to great pitchers that were on the trading block eg. Jake Peavey

I would rather see Penny and Delcarmen go and bring up Bucholtz.

Don't care what the stats are, never trusted or feel comfortable when Delcarmen comes into a game. Have more confidence in Bard. Trade Delcarmen, keep Penny for now and Daiske to pen to make room for Smoltz.

The answer is Saito. Penny can achieve Type A status if he keeps pitching this way.

You can never have enough pitching period. stay the course

If the game HanRam produced last night, with no offense, an error on a routine grounder, and a baserunning gaff down a zillion runs is indicative of what he would bring to Fenway, "Da Fish" can keep him. Unless we lose Lugo 1 for 1.

Can't trade Dice anyway, he has a no-trade in his contract. Hanley's going nowhere. Trade Buchholz to Texas for 1 of their catchers and prepare for next year, this year's team's ok.

There is no chance the Marlins are giving up Hanley, their franchise player. Also I don't think Texas would be willing to give up prospects to win now, because their philosophy is to build for the future. Maybe the Sox can trade Saito to a contender with a hole in their pen like Seattle and possibly put Bowden in the pen, like we did with Masterson last year. Penny could also be dealt with the possible depth with starters. But, lets not get too far ahead of ourselves because if Smoltz doesn't pan out. His minor league starts have not been too impressive. Also if Dice continues his struggles, and Bucholz has another year like 2008 then the Sox staff could be in jeopardy. I know that's a lot of if's but they are all possibilities, and not too far fetched at all. Also another option could be to move Dice into the pen in the case of a Saito deal.

Also, Rockoffsoxoff. Penny is 29, not exactly aging. Unless you consider Youk and Beckett aging as well.

Its important to remember a few things. Beckett is in the last year of his contract and seemingly Buchholtz would take his 'spot'. They think he has #1 type stuff, so he goes nowhere! Nobody expected Bard to pitch the way he has. If we could have predicted that, Coco might still be our 4th outfielder. The Sox hedged their bets with Smoltz and Penny. Both guys coming off injury, one old, one looks like a professional bowler and nobody predicted both would return to form. That being said, they got Penny (who could pitch in April) and talked about Smoltz ability to pitch in October which should give you an insight into their thought process. I believe IF there's a trade, it involves Penny, Lugo and eating some or all of Lugo's contract. The fact that they have starting pitching, relief pitching and 3 short-stops means they can approach a lot of teams. When looking at potential partners for a trade, see someone who has high priced talent or a reputation for being cheap. The economy has flagged if you haven't noticed and I can't believe the Marlins or the Nationals are selling a lot of tickets. If they Marlins want to part with Ramirez, take solid pitching, a defensive replacement and cash relief, now that might work for everyone. The Nats are in a similar boat. They get to dump salary, maybe pick up some wins and ticket sales in the process. (Everyone wants to see a winning team)

Unlike most commenters, i'm not out to make the Sox perfect in one fell swoop. My point is that these are unique times, which produce some unique opportunities and Theo's smart enough to see this move, and the next two...like a pool shark. As a Sox fan, this is a great problem to have! Oh how spoiled we have become!!

I KNOW I did not just hear somebody defending trading Jeff Bagwell for Larry Effing ANDERSON.

Jeff Bagwell was being described as a Right Handed George Brett BEFORE that trade, you clown.

Of course, in defense of Lou Gorman, Larry Anderson WAS a rare commodity: A Right Handed Middle Reliever.

God KNOWS: We only had 526 of those, before that trade.

Let this outting guide your judgement rather than the previous against the Yankees... 80 pitches through 3 innings!!! This is a much more typical Brad Penny outting. Trade him now before his value starts to diminish.

Fanatical Yankee....you didn't hear that. You read it!

I can see both Penny and Saito (or Delcarmen) being moved. Bring up both Smoltz and Bucholtz. Put Bucholtz in the pen. Use Penny/Saito to get trade chips for a young catcher or bat.

Fanatacal Yankee: Pennant drive, they needed Anderson. It didn't work out. In Bagwell, they saw a guy who hit for average in the minors with decent power. But they values Scott Cooper more. Guess what - PEDs. Is there anyone out there who is not the bit suspicious about Bagwell's "transformation" into a power hitter. Maybe if the FO knew that Bagwell would hit the juice and become a behomoth, they would have kept him.

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Who cares, Theo will get the best deal possible for either of them or both of them. The real question is... "What is being offered"? I choose whom gets me the bigger fish or fishes.

Pap is kind of shaky this year. Need Saito as insurance.

Dont mess with the pen! But need to find paps replacement! Going to want 5 years 60 million.

shut Dice-K down and keep both.

Why not wait and see if Smoltz actually has anything in the tank? A good 5th starter in Penny is not a bad thing

Keep Brad Penny...and Keep Saito and put Dice on Ice (the DL)..He has been a bigger disappointment than Ortiz..He's lacking confidence and despite the 18 wins last season, he doesn't deserve a regular spot in the starting rotation..

Penny is only 31, not too old for a starting pitcher. Saito is 37. As far as who could pitch in the late innings of games goes , how about Bard. He has the best stuff on the team ,and a much higher upside than Saito

I would think there would be more interest in Saito. He could close, while Penny is still just a back-of-the-rotation starter.
Of course there will be no demand for Dice-K. It should all depend on what is offered in return.

The Bagwell trade is only 1 example. If I remember we traded away mediocre heathcliff slocum and got both jason varitek and derek lowe. For whatever reason, setup guys have historically brought out the most lopsided trades. That being said, YOU HAVE to be open to trading saito, delcarmen or Penny depending on what the return is.

penny has been one of my favorite players this year. i'd hate to see him go. i'd hate to see saito go either. our pitching has been so good i'd rather them not touch it. the fact that we have great depth is something we should hold on to and not trade away, we're not even at the halfway point in the season anything could happen as far as injuries go. honestly i think they should just suck it up with the shortstops they got, maybe make a trade for a good defensive shortstop like a jack wilson or vizquel by giving up players in the farm except for buchholz, i think buchholz is one of our best pitchers at this very moment even though hes not on the team right now.

To quote Tito from a couple years back, "you can never have too much pitching".......Penny is doing great, leave him where he is. Daisuke is not, send him down to take a breather and get it together. Put Smoltz in his place and see what things look like by the trading deadline.

To the people saying trade Daisuke- You can't trade him. He has a no trade clause in his contract so he would have to OK being sent to a new team. He haslike 35 or 36 combined wins in regular season/playoffs in his 2 years. I admit he is frustrating but he didn't win games last year because of run support. He won games because he didn't allow runs in the 5 and 2/3rds he did pitch. The Sox are looking at him as a 6 year investment and I don't think after he's had 6 starts you can say he's had enough time to straighten himself out.
The Sox need to figure out if they need to convince him to take another trip to the DL or convince him to get sent to the PawSox because you need his permission for that as well.

The Sox won't be able to trade Lugo for anything and Delcarmen has been flat out dominant this year. They could look to move him but I don't see it.

I would rather trade Penny because I think he's a ticking time bomb. He's pitching well now and that's great for the sox. The have a stretch of 18 games in 19 days coming up so I'm not sure you'll see them trade him until after the All-Star break if they do decide to move him. I think they go with a 6 man rotation over the next couple of weeks during that stretch and see how everything plays out.

The Marlins will most likely not trade Hanley Ramirez for anything short of the entire farm system and I can't see them making that move. This team is solid offensively and I think what they need is for Jed to come back and be solid in the field.

OK, all you geniuses who have 'corrected' me, here's the deal. Lots of guys with 'no-trades' get traded. I already referenced the fact he had a no-trade when I brought up DiceK. However, also pointed out that he might prefer that option to sitting in the pen, if put in that context! And he DID benefit greatly from run support last year in posting his deceptive 18-3 record. The universal perception was that was the most non-dominating dominant record in the majors. Watching him pitch every week, it was hard to believe the record when you looked at it in the papers! Really, did ANYONE view him as an ACE or a #1 last year, in spite of his impressive record? As for giving him more time, he is not a young kid called up from the minors who still has a lot to learn about pitching. He was a seasoned veteran from Japan. We've been watching the same act for 2 full years now, and nothing has changed almost midway through a third. The fact that he is a seasoned vet from Japan makes it even more likely that he has any interest in changing. He's set in his ways. As another poster wrote, either he is overly confident in his abilities to paint the plate, or he is afraid to challenge major league hitters. I think he just doesn't get jacked up for abything but the WBC. Lastly, his trade value is still high, given the deceptive numbers he has posted over the last 2 years - and the ever-present 'potential', PLUS his bargain contract relative to free agent pitching, with over 3 years left to run.

Dice K has never impresed me, maybe he pitched great in Japan but I just don't see his big league stardom at all.Saito, who cares. Guess he's OK but we have a lot of young, strong armed pitchers. Penny has been a steal. But Clay has earned and deserves his chance in the big time.

no one. i'm not willing to see either one go. to decide amongst the 2 is really difficult for me. i'll let theo and the gang do the decision.

How about not touching either one and removing Dice K. See if he takes an invite to AAA for a month or so to regroup, thats who Smoltz should replace, we do we keep denying ourselves of this fact?

Remember, the Sox wound up with 23 pitchers on their 25 man roster last year. They will need every arm they have this year into November. Just because they all + arms doesn't mean we should trade them for someone we don't and won't need, like a DH, SS or C.

Trade Penny, Dice-K and Nick Green for Hanely Ramirez. The Yankee management will freak out with all that offense and we still keep Bucholtz, Bard, and all the other young arms. I think the Marlins may bite on this one.

don't do a bellichek - traded cassell too early - wait for the market to develop

Why is Epstein and Franciona fooling around?...The starting rotation should be Beckett, Lester, Wakefield, Bucholz & Smoltz...If Smoltz doesn't do it, then Maserson can...Penny and Dice K are not the answer...Dice K needs to go on the DL and rest that arm, the world games killed him and all the pitches he threw in Japan didn't help.

Pat Albarelli,
The Marlins would never do this. Penny is aging and still is coming off an injured year, Daisuke isn't anything of value to them the way he's current;y pitching, and Nick Green is in no way a shortstop to replace Ramirez.

1)The Marlins are not trading Hanley Ramirez.
2)Lugo is unmovable because of salary and lack of range
3)Dice-K is unmovable due to no-trade clause and no trade value, no one wants him right now. HE HAS A FEAKING 8 ERA!!!
Also, He won't accept a stint in Pawtucket so that's out. That leaves the DL if you want to keep everyone (and it may come to that)
4)IF someone gets moved it will most likely be Penny, he has the most value for contenders who need pitching. eg. The Phillies. They don't need Saito because they have Wagner and the Mets, they need starting pitching too and they also have K-Rod.

You guys are all looking at what YOU would like to see happen. Remember it takes two to make a trade, you have to take into account the other teams views.

and lastly, why rush. Wait for teams who need pitching to get more desperate as the deadline approaches, use the 6 men before the All-Star break to get everyone rested for the stretch.

In the end, as someone said earlier; the guy who will be traded is he one Theo can get the most back for.

@ Nate and Pat,
To back your point further Nate, why would the notoriusly stingy Marlins trade a top 5 talent, who is making cheap money and is locked up till something like 2014, for three guys making a combined 14 million this year, who combined aren't anywhere near equal value on the field

What are we trading for? With Nick Green hitting the snot out of the ball right now, Lowrie a step from being back, I don't buy that we need SS. What is management saying we need? You can't sit Penny down. We need like a doubleheader each week for the next 5 weeks.

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Being a Red Sox fan for so long that it amuses me (laughs) at 99.9% talking all these trades (I was for a Hanley trade- but have you seen the Marlin series? Green is outplaying him) that I think that you 99.9% are full of dog poop.

if the dealis right trade penny------he will be a free agent and will look for a multi contract-----we got smoltz,bucholtz,bowden,etc------leave bullpen alone ----i believe we have an option on saito for next year

Get rid of Dice K and try to find a catcher. I know Dice K would be hard to trade but some team would give him a shot. Every game he pitches is an adventure to say the least. He doesn't deserve to start and he would admit that if he were honest with himself. Varitek is still close to an automatic out, especially with men on base. 6MM for him is a joke!

stop talking about jack wilson,etc------you got a shortshop if you watched the game last night-----also lowrie is almost there-----trade lugo eat the contract

Never in a million years will the Marlins trade Hanley to us. Never, and especially not for these ridiculous spare parts packages some of you are dreaming up. Seriously, Dice-K and Green? Just. Stop. It.

I don't see any reason to make major trades, what with the starters rounding into shape, the bullpen dominant, and Papi finally starting to hit. We need to keep Buchholz and Bard as the replacements for Beckett and Papelbon, who contracts will soon expire and who will inevitably ask for too much money.

If Penny or a package of second-tier prospects could pry loose an Adam Dunn or Russell Branyan as insurance for Papi or an injury to one of our other hitters, I would do that deal.

And the right answer is... we trade whomever we get the best value for or we don't trade at all. Why get religious about who to trade? Take the best deal if it addresses a critical need. Fans always approach this backwards by starting with who you want to unload. I say let market dynamics drive your decision and stay flexible. In a league where parity rules and the economy is causing jitters, I just don't see a lot of activity this year so the default just may be no trade at all.

@ Kdogwc Amen, you sir are an island of reason in an ocean of BS and wishfull thinking.

Shaughnessy used to upset players with his stupid comments. Now the Globe is repeating the mistake. How can you ask "who would the fans rather see go?" There is no winner here. One or both players, hearing about the number of people voting that they go, will be upset by it. Making them feel as though they are not wanted here is the LAST thing that a true Red Sox fan wants. They have both contributed significantly to the team. The idiot that suggested this topic should be fired. He/she is probably a Yankee fan.

Another point people bring up is sending Daisuke to the pen for long relief. This is another poor idea and Tito was on Dale and Holley Wednesday saying that's not an option. It's like telling the guy that you are totally confident in him, but we don't want to see you pitch unless it's in mop up duty. Not exactly making him feel like he has the ability to go out and get people out. Really the only thing they can do at this point is a.) let him go out every 5th, and most likely 6th day for the next couple of weeks and work out his game.
or
b)sit him on the bench where he isn't going to make any improvements at all.

It's really going to be a frustrating couple of weeks until he can straighten himself out or the team convinces him he needs to work on his game in AAA or in Florida. There's really no other way they can get him going good, and we're just going to have to live with it for the time being.

I HAVE THE EXACT ANSWER....TRADE THE WIENNIE VERITEC NOW BEFORE HE INFECTS THE ENTIRE TEAM. HE HAS LOST TOO MANY GAMES FOR THE SOX...HIS TIME IS OVER. EVER SINCE HE BROKE HIS WRIST SEVERAL YEARS AGO, HE HAS STUNK! WAKE-UP RED SOX. YOU CANNOT BE TOO DEEP WITH STARTING PITCHERS. WHY DID THE SOX SIGN PENNY AND "O" IF THEY WERE SIMPLY GOING TO TURN AROUND AND TRADE THEM. AND NOW, WHAT A STUPID WAY TO TREATE THEM WITH ALL THIS TRADE TALK.......HOW CAN THEY FEEL? MAKES YOU WANNA BECOME A YANKEE (OUCH!!!!) SORRY.

Retfros, I'm actually rather happy with the way Tek has been playing this year. His average still isn't great but they aren't asking him to hit the ball. His power numbers are way up and I expect a second half drop due to the wear and tear of an MLB season. I think they need Kotaras to catch a few more games to keep Jason fresh, or find another backup catcher to do so.

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